The fantasme: Confusions and clarifications
It is known that the fantasy of beating described by Freud in three phases and called A child is punished, presents a series of problems very difficult to solve. Freud has said that it lacks real existence, that it is a constructed notion and that, in a way, it never existed; At the same t...
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It is known that the fantasy of beating described by Freud in three phases and called A child is punished, presents a series of problems very difficult to solve. Freud has said that it lacks real existence, that it is a constructed notion and that, in a way, it never existed; At the same time, as if oscillating in his description, he maintains that he remains unconscious. What is its status?
At this arduous point, Lacan discovers or better invents, already in his fourth seminar, a valuable notion, which must be distinguished from the various forms of fantasy, and calls it phantom. If we can justify this invention-discovery, it is because it introduced into the sphere of psychoanalysis a capital notion: the notion of demand, which is what is implied in the loving bond between the subject and the Other: there is demand because someone has been quoted, and quoted with his body, imaginary or real.
There are two texts of Lacan decisive Kant with Sade and the other, less known, but fundamental, is the transcription of a lecture that Lacan gave at the College of Medicine in 1966, in the Salpêtrière. To the first of them I will stick to it, since the so-called formula of the ghost ($ <> a), in the various readings that it admits, does not allow to differentiate the ghost from the symptom, from the affections, from the drive, from the failed, from the dreams.
The pleasure principle embodies the paradox of the ghost: it claims its support, but constantly tends to stay here to go further, in a game of endless oscillation. |
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I10-R370-article-432802024-10-31T01:47:16Z The fantasme: Confusions and clarifications El fantasma: Confusiones y aclaraciones Le phantome : confusions et clarifications O fantasma: Confusões e esclarecimentos Ritvo, Ritvo Ritvo, Juan Ritvo, Ritvo fantasme pleasure principle wish joy fantasma principio de placer deseo goce fantasme principe de plaisir Je désire jouissance fantasme princípio de prazer desejo jouissance It is known that the fantasy of beating described by Freud in three phases and called A child is punished, presents a series of problems very difficult to solve. Freud has said that it lacks real existence, that it is a constructed notion and that, in a way, it never existed; At the same time, as if oscillating in his description, he maintains that he remains unconscious. What is its status? At this arduous point, Lacan discovers or better invents, already in his fourth seminar, a valuable notion, which must be distinguished from the various forms of fantasy, and calls it phantom. If we can justify this invention-discovery, it is because it introduced into the sphere of psychoanalysis a capital notion: the notion of demand, which is what is implied in the loving bond between the subject and the Other: there is demand because someone has been quoted, and quoted with his body, imaginary or real. There are two texts of Lacan decisive Kant with Sade and the other, less known, but fundamental, is the transcription of a lecture that Lacan gave at the College of Medicine in 1966, in the Salpêtrière. To the first of them I will stick to it, since the so-called formula of the ghost ($ <> a), in the various readings that it admits, does not allow to differentiate the ghost from the symptom, from the affections, from the drive, from the failed, from the dreams. The pleasure principle embodies the paradox of the ghost: it claims its support, but constantly tends to stay here to go further, in a game of endless oscillation. La fantasía de paliza descripta por Freud en tres fases y que denomina Un niño es castigado, presenta una serie de problemas muy difíciles de resolver. Freud ha dicho que carece de existencia real, que es una noción construida y que, en cierta manera, jamás existió; al mismo tiempo, como si oscilara en su descripción, sostiene que permanece inconsciente. ¿Cuál es su estatuto? En este arduo punto, Lacan descubre o mejor inventa, ya en su cuarto seminario, una noción valiosa, que hay que diferenciar de las diversas formas de la fantasía, y la denomina fantasma. Si podemos justificar esta invención-descubrimiento, es porque introdujo en la esfera del psicoanálisis una noción capital: la noción de demanda, que es lo entredicho en el vínculo amoroso entre el sujeto y el Otro: hay demanda porque alguien ha sido citado, y citado con su cuerpo, imaginario o real. Hay dos textos de Lacan decisivos, Kant con Sade y el otro, menos conocido, pero fundamental, es la transcripción de una conferencia que Lacan dictó en el Colegio de Medicina en 1966, en la Salpêtrière. Al primero de ellos me voy a atener, ya que la llamada fórmula del fantasma ($<>a), en las diversas lecturas que admite, no permite diferenciar al fantasma del síntoma, de los afectos, de la pulsión, de los fallidos, de los sueños. El principio del placer encarna la paradoja del fantasma: reclama su soporte, pero tiende constantemente a quedarse más acá para ir más allá, en un juego de oscilación interminable. Le fantasme de coups décrit par Freud en trois phases, qu'il appelle L'enfant est puni, pose une série de problèmes très difficiles à résoudre. Freud a dit qu'il n'a pas d'existence réelle, qu'il est une notion construite et que, dans un certain sens, il n'a jamais existé ; en même temps, comme s'il oscillait dans sa description, il soutient qu'il reste inconscient. Quel est son statut ? Sur ce point ardu, Lacan découvre, ou plutôt invente, dès son quatrième séminaire, une notion précieuse, à différencier des diverses formes de fantasmes, et l'appelle phantasme. Si l'on peut justifier cette invention-découverte, c'est parce qu'il a introduit dans la sphère de la psychanalyse une notion capitale : la notion de demande, qui est l'enjeu du lien amoureux entre le sujet et l'Autre : il y a demande parce que quelqu'un a été convoqué, et convoqué avec son corps, imaginaire ou réel. Il y a deux textes décisifs de Lacan, Kant avec Sade et l'autre, moins connu mais fondamental, qui est la transcription d'une conférence que Lacan a donnée au Collège de médecine en 1966, à la Salpêtrière. Je m'en tiendrai à la première, car la formule dite du fantasme ($<>a), dans les diverses lectures qu'elle admet, ne permet pas de différencier le fantasme du symptôme, des affects, de la pulsion, des échecs, des rêves. Le principe de plaisir incarne le paradoxe du fantasme : il réclame son appui, mais tend constamment à rester ici pour aller au-delà, dans un jeu d'oscillation sans fin. O fantasma: Confusões e esclarecimentos A fantasia de castigo descrita por Freud em três fases e que denomina "Um menino é castigado" apresenta uma série de problemas muito difíceis de resolver. Freud disse que carece de existência real, que é uma noção construída e que, de certa forma, jamais existiu; ao mesmo tempo, como se oscilasse em sua descrição, sustenta que permanece inconsciente. Qual é o seu estatuto? Nesse ponto árduo, Lacan descobre ou melhor, inventa, já em seu quarto seminário, uma noção valiosa, que deve ser diferenciada das diversas formas de fantasia, e a denomina fantasma. Podemos justificar essa invenção-descoberta, pois ele introduziu na esfera do psicanálise uma noção capital: a noção de demanda, que é o interdito na relação amorosa entre o sujeito e o Outro: há demanda porque alguém foi convocado, e convocado com seu corpo, imaginário ou real. Há dois textos decisivos de Lacan, Kant com Sade e o outro, menos conhecido, mas fundamental, é a transcrição de uma conferência que Lacan proferiu no Colégio de Medicina em 1966, na Salpêtrière. A esse primeiro me irei ater, já que a chamada fórmula do fantasma ($<>a), nas diversas leituras que admite, não permite diferenciar o fantasma do sintoma, dos afetos, da pulsão, dos falhados, dos sonhos. O princípio do prazer encarna a paradoxo do fantasma: reclama seu suporte, mas tende constantemente a ficar mais aquém para ir além, em um jogo de oscilação interminável. Facultad de Psicología. Cátedra de Psicopatología I 2023-12-04 info:eu-repo/semantics/article info:eu-repo/semantics/publishedVersion application/pdf text/html https://revistas.unc.edu.ar/index.php/pathos/article/view/43280 Pathos; Vol. 5 (2023): (De)constructions of the phantasy; 31-38 Pathos; Vol. 5 (2023): (De)construcciones del fantasma; 31-38 Pathos; Vol. 5 (2023): (Dé)constructions du fantasme; 31-38 Pathos; v. 5 (2023): (Des)construções do fantasme; 31-38 2313-9390 spa https://revistas.unc.edu.ar/index.php/pathos/article/view/43280/43418 https://revistas.unc.edu.ar/index.php/pathos/article/view/43280/43416 Derechos de autor 2023 Juan Ritvo https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0 |